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Poster: kdern Date: Oct 19, 2011 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best year for Jerry solos?

What year do you think was the best for Jerry's guitar solos? As far as 72-77 is concerned, it seems that he does less noodling and plays more lyrically as the years go by.

Do you agree?

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Poster: elkdog Date: Oct 20, 2011 5:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

I think Jerry's best solos* came with the JGB, and that the best year for his solos with the Dead was 1976, when the patience and lyricism are at a peak, the tone is crystal clear (and therefore conducive to beautiful solos, imo), and the new material was exciting him. A more spacious mix (to my ear) also helps.

But, if it's thunderous shredding you're after, or screaming bluesiness, or raw spontaneous energy, there are other eras that you'd gravitate toward, and I do like all those things. My favorite Jerry playing is lyrical, simmering, and just intensely beautiful, though, so '76 is a sweet spot for me.

*solos does not imply jams. I do love '76 overall, but this is about Jerry's solos, not band improv.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 20, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

good explanation elkdog. i believe '76 to be one of the top years as well, and if you consider jgb as well it might be THE best year imo.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Though there's no doubt that Jer's technical abilities were relatively limited in the late '60's, I find this era to be some of his most absolutely enthralling playing. Someone said of these years in a review once that it just "sucks you in", which I think is the perfect description. While i love all his beautiful, mellow, jazzy playing of later, these years just have an unprecedented energy that was never duplicated imo.

That said, I still think his best solos were in '73 and '74 (please don't make me pick between the two, I just can't!)

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-10-20 01:37:05

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

i wont make you pick. Just say 72.

in all seriousness I don't know 73-74 well enough to comment.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 11:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

haha, well i think you could really say all of '72-'74, but I just think Jer's playing got a little jazzier and more melodic in '73. but that's just me, of course...

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Best year for jerry solos?
try this other one on for size. Its the jerry show 6 minutes. The following cryptical is no slouch either. Its not his best work by any means. But boy is it ragin'

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-12-29.sbd.miller.80197.sbeok.flac16

He likely became a bit more precise as the 70s grew on. Though he played certain songs nearly exactly the same from 72-77. BEW might be a good example of this (disregarding the extra measure added to the solo come 76). I would say most of his noodling depends on the song. Listen to MAMU, he noodles nearly the same as he did in 72 compared to 77. I think the real shift from out there other one dark star solos came around 70. Making a larger shift from 68-72 than 72-77.

I think bobby is much easier to tell in his playing. He likely changed a great deal more than jerry during 70-80.

This post was modified by wisconsindead on 2011-10-19 20:58:07

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2011 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Abso Frickin Loot Lee!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 20, 2011 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Here's a funny link to my first thread on this show's OO, with even a "bump" and latter era Forumites chiming in:

http://www.archive.org/post/94256/12-29-68no-other-one

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 20, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

cool thanks for the link. I wonder how much of this wonderful other one is lost. Thankfully the cut seems to time up relatively well.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 20, 2011 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

speaking of raging jerry and other ones.

What are your thoughts on this monster Mr. Tell?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-24.aud.cooper.coopernicus.32710.flac16

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 20, 2011 6:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

In spite of all the press that June show rec's round here, it's never reached the same status with me--don't get me wrong, darn tooting good, of course, but not one I go back to again and again, such as 12-29, or 10-12, or 8-24 from 68. I do enjoy the 71 versions, with M&MU samwiches, but they are somewhat homogenous...tough to say which particular OOnes stand out other than 12-29, so I guess all this rambling has gotten us nowhere. Sorry!

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 20, 2011 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

I really love 1972-12-01 for an under the radar MAMU sandwich.

and for the 1970-06-24 TOO... But its such a monster! IMO the later show is greatly over hyped and shadows the true meat, which is this other one. the late show is better on paper me thinks. At any rate, I hope you find the love for it, because I find it to be equally as good as, well probably any other one.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Oct 19, 2011 11:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Seconded! Top 5 Jerry angry-guitar-god moment for sure!!!!!!

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Oct 20, 2011 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Hate to say it, but Jer's best solos might have come in 1977. The Dews, 1/2 Steps, TMNSs, Sugarees, NFAs, etc. Too bad the band was so damn goofy that year.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 19, 2011 2:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

71 has some phenominal leads and doesnt get mentioned much

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 19, 2011 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

I find Jerry's playing to be at it's highest level between 72'-74' and can't say that I hear very much noodling at all in his playing in that period,as his creativity began to decline and the rest of the bands talent began to erode the dreaded noodling seemed to take hold,a good example would be most any Fire on the Mountain.As for his playing at it's height it was never solo driven,more of him on top interacting with band mates as opposed to post hiatus when the band just sort of weakly reacted to what he was doing creating a more solo like feel.

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Lots of fun jamming in '71, I agree, especially with TOO becoming a whole new monster

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Poster: BVD Date: Oct 19, 2011 8:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Agreed. Loved his playing in 71. Some of the jams after the last verse of Truckin' will make your brains fall out!! 8/6 jumps out right away.

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Oct 19, 2011 5:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

My favorite Jerry solos are definetely from fall '77 through '78, based on sheer loudness. It seems after the first half of '77 the whole band decides to turn it up and get real dirty, and at points it sounds as if Jer is just angry with his guitar. Although, when the band plays the slow #'s (FOTD, TLEO, peggy-o, etc.) he is able to take it down a notch a play some real beautiful runs, no noodling here. I've tried for so very long to like '73-'74 and I'm done, just not my style I guess...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

based on loudness? just listen to some '68-'74 and crank the speakers lol. EVERYone gets loud, not just jerry :-)

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-10-20 01:24:06

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Yeah, they get loud there but not as piercing, melt your face off loud as the late '70's, especially Jerry. Punk rock Dead, that's my favorite

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

gotcha. to each his own i guess. i love those years as well, i just can't compare them to the early years from a musical standpoint. imo jerry's solos after the hiatus are much less inspired and creative then they were early on. we all hear things slightly differently though. i'm glad there's folks who prefer the later years.

the '60s are pretty damn melt-your-face-off too by the way.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-10-20 01:37:12

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Poster: madmonkmcphee Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

I absolutely love early Dead ('65-early '73), don't get me wrong, I've just been diggin the late '70's recently. Keep up the good posts, I like your show recs. and I agree with you, De Niro is the better actor...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

good to know! what can i say, i love people named bob.

it's nice that you can appreciate all the eras like that. i do as well, but i can only listen to so much later-era dead before i start craving the early stuff.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

jerry was a chord shredding maniac in 78. Check out 1978-01-31 LIG.

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Oct 19, 2011 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

1983

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

'83 had many great moments, but the best? could you cite a few examples if you don't mind?

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

I just love what his style became around this time. The way he played changed when he got Irwin's Tiger in 79', and it seems like his style, use of effects, etc, really got tight in 83. Plus he just fuckin' tore it up.
Pick any Scarlet/fire. Solo's on Loser, China Doll, Looks Like Rain, Stella Blue. Pick any Frankin's also...

A good start..

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-09-06.sbd.clugston.5489.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

'83 had a few monster shakedowns as well. i know we're talking about jerry, but i've noticed brent really started to come into his own in '83.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Oct 19, 2011 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

1972 perhaps for sheer consistency...however when Garcia was on he was on, his playin on say Standing On The Moon at Autzen 93 is as inspired and technically impressive as stuff from the 70s...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Oct 19, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

you could make a good case for '69

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Oct 20, 2011 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best year for Jerry solos?

Is this even possible to answer?